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Okay, the heart of the matter: HP12c vs TIBAII
By Apollinaire on Reviewed in the United States on October 6, 2013
If you're looking at this review, you are probably asking yourself what I was asking myself: Do I buy the HP12c or the TIBAII? A finance professor recommended the HP12c to me, then another finance professor insisted on the TIBAII. I purchased both, read 300+ pages of instruction manuals, and here's what happened: For almost every calculation, the HP12c, once you learn to use RPN (contrast with algebraic for you guys who don't know what I'm talking about) is sooooo much more comfortable and, more importantly, much faster. If I want to calculate standard deviation, I can chain the entire equation out without stopping or storing a single value--in other words, I never have to say "okay, gotta write this value down (or store it) so I can call it back up later when I need to add it to the next value". I did this on a statistics test and I was the first one done. I got worried because everyone else was still working on problems, but guess what? I was the only student using the HP12c, because no one wants to learn a new system--people are intimidated by RPN. Don't be: it's awesome. But on the other hand, the "worksheets" for the TIBAII are actually quite useful. HP12C doesn't have a default 30/360 setting for bonds (it can be programmed according to the manual in about 40 steps, which I'm still learning about). TIBAII has some conveniences like combination buttons and permutation buttons. But guess why? As I mentioned above, in the HP12c, you can chain those calculations without even thinking, so it doesn't need those buttons. TIBAII, with algebraic notation, benefits greatly from the added functions. So TIBAII appears to provide extra value that, frankly, is unnecessary if you use HP12c. I could give more examples like these. The TIBAII's worksheets allow for fool-proof entry and give a few extra results that are "useful" [meaning, useful for the TIBAII, but HP12c users are doing them quickly from memory] (discounted payback, multiple IRR, NFV--i have the plus professional-- for example). Who should use the HP12c? Well, from my experience, people who are good with numbers and want a device that keeps up with their computational instincts use the HP12c. As I mentioned before, you can chain together some seriously long computations in cool ways. If you are not that type of guy, it's not going to be that useful for you--the thing is, I would argue that the HP12c can turn you into that kind of guy. The possibilities, once the system is learned, are great. The TIBAII is definitely a "safer" calculator. It is also more technologically advanced. The worksheets have value. They give you useful outputs (useful for the CFA, yes). But the HP12c user will tell you(rightly) that some of these are crutches that will result in you forgetting how to do the calculations (combinations, permutations). Here's what I've done: I use the HP12c for everything I can, and I use the TIBAII for the 30/360 bond worksheet (and the discounted payback and a few other features that would save time on the CFA). So my goal is to use the fastest always, and to always give priority to me KNOWING a calculation--not blindly relying on a button. HP12c is the overall winner, but the TIBAII has a minor role on my desk. Buying both calculators is really not that big of an expense. One final note: the layout of the HP12c is so much more fluid than TIBAII's lame scientific-calculator look. Every time I pick up the HP12c, I esthetically enjoy it. I have the platinum version, and man does it feel good. Good with math? Need a tool that allows you to exress that? You need HP12c's RPN. Like the safety of support? Like extra features you don't have to know how to calculate yourself? Need the 4-5 things that TIBAII offers quickly (for the CFA, for example?)?: buy the TIBAII. Are you like me? Want the RPN but also need that 30/360 bond worksheet? Use HP12c 95% of the time, then pick up the cheaper-feeling, plastic-y, scientific-y TIBAII (which is, nonetheless, a good product). One final thing: Once you learn RPN, you will be ruined for algebraic. The fact that I say that should tell you a lot. When I use algebraic on the TIBAII, I find myself thinking "what idiot would actually prefer this crap over RPN?" I know I shouldn't, but I now tend to assume people who are bad at math would naturally avoid RPN and the HP12c. Again, that's a very biased statement, but one that, even acknowledging it's biased, I still say. Okay amigos, let the comments begin.
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GOLD CASE HP-12C IS BEST CHOICE AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!
By jyeager on Reviewed in the United States on May 4, 2007
IF YOU PLAN TO USE THIS CALCULATOR ON ANY EXAMS OR COURSES OR INDEED PROFESSIONALLY IN THE FIELD, MAKE SURE YOU EXPLORE ANY OTHER POSSIBLE PROGRAMMING DIFFERENCES IN THIS DEVICE VERSUS THE TRIED AND TRUE AND TOTALLY WORKABLE HP-12C GOLD CASE. Do this on the "25th Anniversary" HP-12C: f 2 20 ENTER CHS 2 [x] The device unbelievably displays "40.00", NOT "-40.00" (negative fourty!). Ok, do that on the Gold case HP-12C or the original HP-12C Platinum! Here goes: 20 ENTER CHS 2 [x] The Display correctly shows "-40.00"! This issue was taken to my attention by an engineer in Georgia who purchased my HP-12C book from amazon. I do not take any "credit" for discovering this latest issue vis a vis this device! Try this on the Gold Case HP-12C: f CLX 360 n 6 g i 100,000 CHS PV PMT This gives you the monthly payment needed to amortize $100,000 at 6% interest over a 30 year period. Now, DO NOT CHANGE anything! Let's assume that the annual interest rate is LOWERED to 5.75%! DO THIS: 5.75 g i PMT. This gives you the monthly payment needed to amortize the amount in question but at a wee lower interest rate! Ok, what is the DIFFERENCE in the monthly payments? SIMPLY PRESS [ - ]. This causes the GOLD CASE or for that matter the ORIGINAL HP-12C Platinum to subtract the second amount calculated from the first amount! Try the same calculation on the "25th Anniversary Platinum"! You get a totally different result BECAUSE THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY PLATINUM'S STACK DOES NOT--AND I REPEAT DOES NOT WORK-- LIKE THAT IN THE ORIGINAL HP-12C OR THE ORIGINAL HP 12C PLATINUM! This device is admittedly faster than the Gold case HP-12C. But, so what? Let me put it this way, IF ANY OF US COULD USE EFFECTIVELY EVEN 0.25% OF THE COMPUTING POWER OF A GOLD CASE HP-12C ON A DAILY BASIS, WELL, OUR INCOMES WOULD GO OFF THE CHARTS! Ok, the 25th Anniversary HP-12C is faster, so shooting from the hip, if we could use, say, 0.24% of its power effectively on a daily basis our incomes would go off the charts! The 25th Anniversary HP-12C has a "fancy" case! I threw mine out! I stick with the THREE HP-12C GOLD devices I have! (New case is way too bulky, BUT it does have a rather HUGE HP logo on it and you can "stuff" a business card in it if you are inclined to show-boat it!)! Frankly, I wish that HP had saved the money from the "fancy" case and written new instruction-set/whatever for the admittedly faster chip that is in the 25th Anniversary HP-12C, thus making it work exactly like the Gold Case original HP-12C. Bottom line: There are no "easy" answers to anything in this field! No calculator--and certainly no fancy calculator case!--, be it the Gold case (overall my choice because it works exactly as a GOLD CASE HP-12C SHOULD WORK!) will save anyone! No, we won't "rise above the croud" using any calculator, even the HP financial calculators! One could have a Super Computer and if you do nothing in the field, be it finance or real estate or whatever, your income will be zilch! Again, there are no easy answers: success in anything is a function of one's efforts in life, not the calculator we carry or train with, but in any event there is no question as far as I am concerned that anyone studying real estate or finance or business/etc should have one of the HPs, be it the best of the lot as far as I am concerned, the HP-17BII or the HP-19BII, or any version of the tried and true HP-12C. Please Note: The program on page 284 of my "Professional Real Estate Problem Solving Using the HP-12C" works fine (as it should!) in the gold case and first version of the HP-12C platinum but it will not work in the "new" 25th Anniversary HP-12C Platinum because the STACK LIFT in the 25th Anniversary Platinum works different in a number of situations. For those of you who acquire my HP-12C real estate book please note that I include a separate spiral bound supplement that includes a slightly different version of the program from page 284 of the main book. This program works just fine on the 25th Anniversary HP-12C; not a problem one way or the other! Bottom line? Probably makes little difference which HP Financial calculator we own, but we should own at least one of them if we are studying real estate, business or finance. These are really neat devices, a tribute to the TECHNICAL and MATH PEOPLE at HP. Bravo folks! John A. Tirone Macomb Township, Michigan 48042

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